HostPapa: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
The hosting market is a jungle. There are tons of hosts offering unlimited bandwidth, unlimited storage space, unlimited email accounts. But when the rubber hit the road, all I wanted was small-scale service I could count on.
I’ve had great personal experience with 1&1; maybe I can write more about them another day. But I was helping a client migrate from an unreliable host, so I was very concerned about customer support as well as reliability. I’ve read horrific reports of 1&1 customers trying to get help over the phone from someone in India, which is nowhere close to the actual data centers. In spite of my good experience with 1&1, critical reviews made me nervous.
So I started searching for Canadian hosts, and HostPapa seemed to come highly recommended. They’re a relatively new host but seem to have a very loyal and satisfied client base. Having run a successful business in the UK, they decided to open up a base in Ontario. Among other encouraging offerings, they promise 99.9% uptime, a state-of-the-art data center, and that they purchase “green energy” credits according to their energy consumption. Their technical support is also located in Ontario, which reassured me.
I was sold. I signed up for three years of service.
On day one I started transferring my client’s Web site to the new Web space. Before all of it was transferred, I got an error about exceeding available disk space. I phoned customer support and quickly discovered that, truly, the server was out of disk space. Apparently another user had decided to take them up on their offer of unlimited disk space and filled up the whole server. So I had to wait for a day for them to sort that out.
The next day I was able to get the Web site up.
I was designing a Web app for this client that would not be hosted at HostPapa, so I needed access to the DNS records to set up a subdomain for the external app. I soon realized that the admin interface used by HostPapa would not give me this degree of control, so I contacted support to see if they could add a DNS record for me. I gave them the address of my other host and they said that they could.
At least four days later, the subdomain was still not working. I asked support about it, and they said they were still working on it. Later I received an email saying that my ticket had been resolved, only to see that support had created a subdomain for a folder in the public_html directory of my HostPapa account. Definitely not what I had asked for.
(As an aside, 1&1 allows you do this easily using their admin interface; the new subdomain and DNS entries are sometimes functional within minutes.)
So I decided to transfer the domain away from HostPapa to a DNS server that I could control. During this wait, I had created all of the employees email accounts by uploading a CSV file with email addresses and passwords. I then I transferred all the mail from the old host to the new accounts using imapsync.
Web site and email were transferred, up, and working better for my client than they had in months. For a day or so. Suddenly email was down because of some certificate inconsistency on HostPapa’s end. This problem persisted for most of a day, and I was becoming more and more nervous that this was a taste of the 99.9% uptime that I had signed my client up for.
To their credit, HostPapa’s technical support was always very easy to contact and transparent in addressing problems. After the first two weeks of madness, my client settled into a very reliable experience with the host…
… until last week, when there was some massive hardware failure on HostPapa servers. Mail was recovered, as well as Web files, but the MySQL database that stored not only the content of my client’s Web site but also all of the HTML and CSS templates was lost, leaving the home page a white screen with a database error message.
I’m trying to give an objective account of my experience with HostPapa. No host is perfect. Obviously I’ve had months of seamless service. However, migration and initial setup was brutal, and within one year of service, I’ve lost my database. There are tons of complaints online about big hosts like 1&1. I can say two things:
- I’ve been with 1&1 for at least five times as long as HostPapa and have never lost any data due to their fault.
- I’d rather have service that just works than great customer support to help me handle all the problems.
August 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Nick says:
I am in the middle of a nightmare with Hostpappa right now.
It seems like they have lost all my files afer one of their serves crashed, all I have left are my databases.
Nobody in Hostpappa has given me a satisfactory answer to why my site has gone, all they have said is that they will reply to my support ticket asap, which they haven’t done.
I would avoid them like the plague.
December 5th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Jake says:
They work for me good
If I need help with something I just ask
I do agree they should widen their range for space.
Making back ups of your work should be your responsibility back up and back up somewhere else because you never know that is how the world works.
The ones that works good
Hostpapa
lunar pages
Go Daddy
I have friends that use all 3 of these
all have different benefits in hosting
December 11th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
James says:
I have used 1and1 for 5years now, and haven’t run into any major problems with them at all. I have called support a few times now, and although the accents are sometimes hard to understand, any of my issues have been resolved quickly, and they have a rather well rounded FAQ pages that lets me answer my own questions before I call for support. The only thing that sucks is they don’t support .ca so I have to get the domains elsewhere, but still can host the .ca’s through 1and1…
March 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
HP Sucks says:
Hostpapa is a joke. Here’s why:
They don’t perform backups on customer data, sometimes don’t even RAID their servers. Data loss is not uncommon. They also have VERY FEW servers and stuff tons of oversold accounts on, hence its pretty slow and full.
About their servers, heres the funny/sad part. They’re dedicated servers. They have no idea what kind of power they draw. The fact that they claim to buy green power for them is a joke. If they do its likely some token amount. Pathetic. They host your shit on one of the most ghetto datacenters in existence: Scratch Telecom in Mississauga. Nope not in 151 Front St Toronto, Nope. Not in any big redundant telecom hub. In a commercial district colo, probably he cheapest and worst outside of 3z, MoxieColo and similar fly-by-nighters.
In short, don’t buy the HostPapa hype. They notoriously post their own good reviews on sites, their oakville IPs are easy as hell to trace. I’ve done it before. Oakville is a white suburb outside of Mississauga BTW. Nice place to visit. Hostpapa stole their town logo (the leaf) and wrote ‘Green Tags’ over top of it on their homepage. Cracks me up.
The guys who run HP are also pathetic and inept.